A Bargain Basement Kent Hovind

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Tom Ritter is a high school chemistry teacher with a dilemma. How to reconcile his duties teaching public high-school students chemistry and physics when those fields depend so heavily on evolution?

Did I mention that Professor Tom is a creationist? And that he has issued a $1000.00 "challenge" to "evolutionists" to debate him in mid-May on the topic; "Is evolution the only rational explanation to explain life and the existence of modern organisms?"

Apparently, Tom Ritter is Lebanon Pennsylvania's rather shopworn version of Dr. Dino.

Ritter, a chemistry and physics teacher, is astonishingly ignorant when it comes to evolution.

[link] “Personally, I don’t have much interest in evolution, creation or ‘intelligent design,’” Ritter said. “I’m interested in science. I believe teaching evolution as fact perverts science. You could teach evolution as a theory, and I’d have no problem with that.

Evolution is both a fact and a collection of theories. The fact is that evolution occurs. No sane person would even think of denying this. The theories are attempts to best explain how evolution occurs. A science teacher who doesn't understand this should be fired. It's inexcusably ignorant - willfully ignorant.

[link] Ritter said he has strong feelings against teaching evolution as fact while leaving out other theories, including creationism. He said those feelings far predate last year’s controversy in the Dover School District in York County, when parents sued to have a statement about “intelligent design” removed from the classroom.

Creationism is not a scientific theory. It is, at best, a philosophical position, and at worst a fanatical religious conviction. It is most definitely not a competing scientific theory to evolution.

Remember, this is a public high school teacher who is making these ridiculous statements - someone that might be teaching yours or my kids, ostensibly, about "science". What it is, what isn't. What the scientific method is and how to properly apply it.

Scary.

[link] “My faith doesn’t have much to do with evolution,” he said. “I believe in God, and I believe there may be a creator. When people teach evolution as (if) it has to be true, they’re teaching something that hasn’t been and cannot be proven. These people — these dedicated evolutionists — are really just dedicated atheists.”

Now we get to the meat of it. He is under the mistaken impression that all "evolutionists" (his word, not mine) are also all atheists.

Ritter wants to debate "another teacher or professor of science with a strong educational background". Each debater would place $1000.00 in escrow with the outcome of the one-on-one debate judged by an impartial panel of high school students who have answered "undecided" on a survey of whether or not they think that it's OK to teach creationism is public schools.

PZ, I know you're a busy guy, but I think that if this is an online debate it would be right up your alley. Heck, I'd even donate money to help gather up the required thousand bucks.

[link] The Constitution Party of Pennsylvania has also announced it is willing to pay a $500 finder’s fee to the first Pennsylvanian who gets a qualified challenger to actually debate Ritter under the ground rules.

While Ritter said he’s not a member of the party, he and the group share several common interests and beliefs, as they connect to the the teaching of evolution.

Ah. He's associated himself with the Pennsylvania Constitution Party. Things are becoming clearer.

PZ, or any other "teacher or professor of science with a strong educational background", what do you say? You want to do a little mud wrestling with Professor Ritter?

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Anonymous User's picture

Mr. Ritter

I had this man as my Physics and Chemistry teacher and he is a very honest man and he has a vaild point; macroevolution is not proven, it is not a fact, merely a theroy to be considered but by now means a fact. Creationism/IT is also a theroy to be considered. Both theroies are based on a faith, faith in God or faith in man.

Brent Rasmussen's picture

Hello? McFly?

A couple of points, Mr. Anonymous:

  1. "Macroevolution" is a word made up by creationists. It does not exist. There is only "evolution". There is no artificial dichotomy between a "micro" and a "macro". Only complete, drooling pinheads would think that there is.
  2. Nothing can ever be "proven" (sic) except in mathematics. In other words, saying that something isn't "proved" isn't quite the horrible thing that creationists like yourself and Mr. Ritter make it out to be. We can only prove something in a universe where we know everything - like in a mathematical universe.
  3. Evolution is indeed a fact - and it is also a theory. I will understand if your head explodes trying to understand this simple concept.
  4. Creationism and IT are religious opinions, not theories. Theories must have the ability to make testable predictions and must be able to explain all of the evidence fairly well. They must also have the ability to be changed if new evidence comes to light. Creationism and IT do not do this in any way, shape, or form.
  5. Theories are not based on faith - which just goes to show how much of a fucking dimwit you are for thinking that they are. I blame Ritter for teaching you his criminally idiotic and ignorant bullshit in a fucking public school science class.
  6. Thanks for making my point for me, moron.

"...evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality."
- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15

mycroftdavis's picture

The important question

. . .is, how many of us are going to contact the Annville-Cleona High School suggesting that their chemistry / physics teacher has publicly stated a poor understanding of his field, and should be considered for termination?

http://www.acsd.k12.pa.us/

RiciaH's picture

say what?

Chemistry and Physics rely heavily on evolution? (If he really thinks so, I AM worried for his students)

RickU's picture

My momma says

My momma says alligators are ornery cause they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

No YOU'RE wrong Col. Sanders!

wheatdogg's picture

Ritter is ignorant of science, alas

When people teach evolution as (if) it has to be true, they’re teaching something that hasn’t been and cannot be proven.

And this guy is a science teacher? He'd better not belong to my professional teaching orgs ...

Scientific propositions are never proven, only verified or refuted by evidence. Clearly, this chem/phys guy knows nothing about the evidence supporting evolution. If he wants to be consistent in his teaching science, then he should also throw out the atomic theory, relativity theory, Newton's Laws, and work, energy and thermodynamics. After all, these are just working models of reality. No one has actually seen the nucleus of an atom. No one has experienced time dilation directly. Energy is, after all, an abstraction, and so are electric and magnetic fields. They're not real.

So by his own argument, most of science is a fiction.

Jeez, I'm arguing with someone at Link TextAetiology about whether the public schools are crap. And here I find out some yo-yo public school teacher is showing to the world he's a dolt. You just can't win.

wheat's picture

bummer

Alas, I find that Mr Ritter is a member of the American Association of Physics Teachers (AAPT), of which I am also a member.

I feel betrayed.

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